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[~Romanda~]

Deadsy's new topic made me remember something. While waiting for the rescue all these years it never occurred to me that Mat wouldn't have left some gear and food outside the tower. Plus, Momo went through a flaming doorway. Her dress would have at least been singed and mighty stinky. What gives?

[Vertex]

Not that I've read about it, but it seems pretty clever to make Moiraine not have clothes. From a male point of view anyhow.

[Marie]

Well, the flame started right after she went through, so technically I can see why ruined dress didn't occur to Mat. I didn't think she'd be naked either. I'm curious what they did with her stuff.

But yes, you would think they would have left a tent or something outside. Although, I still don't get why Thom couldn't put his pack back on after he took his cloak off; Moiraine's unconscious and they've all just seen her goods: she can wait five more seconds.

[Deadsy]

Even minus the clothes, I agree. I mean... they knew Grady wouldn't arrive for 18 hours or so. Why didn't they have some food left outside? And a pot

But with the clothes, I really don't think they got burned. She went through and there was white light. IMO, when she and Lanfear disappeared they just landed normally and safely just like everyone else who entered the doorways before. I've always assumed they landed separately too.

I'm guessing they took her clothes off in the hopes that it would annoy her. The more upset/annoyed they could make her, the better she would taste. Or, if it never entered their minds that she would care about being nekkid, then they did it because the clothes would get dirty. They also served no purpose. To them she's just food. What's the point of clothes? They just get in the way. Imagine if all the cows came into came in to get slaughtered while wearing clothes. It would just make the whole process more annoying. K, that's a really bad comparison. But it brings me to another thought. I wonder if any of the members of the 'Finn congress were vegetarians or members of FETH, "'Finn for the Ethical Treatment of Humans," who thought it was evil to prolong her suffering.

Anyhoo, her poor kesiera *sniffle*



Now some other stuff... which I may have already posted when the book came out. I really wish we'd gotten a bit more detail from Moiraine. I want to know what kind of state she was in. She could hear the 'Finn, but she was "asleep." Or was she not asleep the whole time? I want to know, dang it. And then there's that line "A man was there once, when they woke me." I can't decide whether they woke her multiple times or just that once. I don't know why I care but I do.

[Marie]

I can see why they stripped her (I also don't think there was anything wrong with her clothes...unless they kept her in them until she stank). I just want to know what they did with it all! I mean, what use is an Aes Sedai ring to them? I guess one of the foxes could keep a token or whatever.

I also want to know how aware she was of her surroundings. She mentions how they enjoyed her suffering which means she had to be somewhat awake to know what was happening.

[Sam]

it's a bit odd how prepared they were for the finns but not for the after.

[Deadsy]

Marie, on 27 June 2011 - 02:12 AM, said:

She mentions how they enjoyed her suffering which means she had to be somewhat awake to know what was happening.

Yep. I'm currently assuming (I want to know but that's what I'm forced to do) that she was awake for most of it. Or at least awake as many hours as a person is normally awake. She was suicidal, so she can't have just been asleep. It's not like that's hard. But being awake unable to open your eyes or speak or move would be all kinds of hell. (I know someone who just broke a vertebrae a couple weeks ago and had to be still like that for 72 hours and it was horrible. Plus he had an iphone. I'm such a nerdy WoT fan that I immediately thought of Moiraine). But her mention of being woken is still annoying and confusing. So I'm forced to make up that she was always half awake... or something.

Marie, on 27 June 2011 - 02:12 AM, said:

I can see why they stripped her (I also don't think there was anything wrong with her clothes...unless they kept her in them until she stank). I just want to know what they did with it all! I mean, what use is an Aes Sedai ring to them? I guess one of the foxes could keep a token or whatever.

Probably knitted underpants with the dress.

Edited by Deadsy, 27 June 2011 - 04:28 AM.

[Marie]

It is rather confusing, now that I think on it. Maybe that man came during one of her "sleep" cycles. Gosh dangit! More time should have been spent on Moiraine and less on Perrin.

[Deadsy]

Marie, on 30 June 2011 - 02:56 PM, said:

It is rather confusing, now that I think on it. Maybe that man came during one of her "sleep" cycles. Gosh dangit! More time should have been spent on Moiraine and less on Perrin.

Now I'm mad again, heh.

Here is what I think the problem is:

RJ wrote the ToG scene. The indoors part. Afterward, there are a few lines that are obviously his, but IMO it's mostly Brandon. "I could hear them barking and hissing at one another, both Aelfinn and Eelfinn in turn." <-- That line is RJ, because he says "one another" and "in turn" several other times in the series, and they aren't the normallest ways of saying things. All that stuff about Moiraine being famous and it being weird and Moiraine never grimacing, that's Brandon.

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Moiraine. He was talking to flaming Moiraine! Though he had gone into the tower with the distinct purpose of rescuing her, it seemed incredible that he was speaking with her. It was like talking to . . .

Well, like talking to Birgitte Silverbow or Jain Farstrider. Mat smiled, shaking his head. What a world this was, and what a strange place he had in it.

That was probably the most fanboy thing that he's written. It's like in those two sentences, Mat isn't a character, he's a reader of the series. It's like how I feel that Moiraine is back. Not how Mat should feel.


Anyway, the problem is that since RJ wrote the ToG scene, I think Brandon thought he shouldn't edit it at all, even though it probably wasn't a final draft. So instead of filling in some extra info we get RJ's draft, the way it was. Some of the dialogue was edited, but that's it. On the other hand, anything Brandon said would have been stuff that he made up, so maybe it's okay that we have to make it up. *shrug*

Edited by Deadsy, 30 June 2011 - 06:39 PM.

[Ekho]

Sam, on 27 June 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

it's a bit odd how prepared they were for the finns but not for the after.

Its probably one of those things, they dealt with the scary stuff first and just hoped that it they survived all the trivial stuff would fall into place.

But yes, much more detail on the rescue and Moiraine in the tower would have been amazing