Avi's babies

[Vertex 23]

Power sperm is a funnier explenation so I'm gonna believe in that *huffs*

[Fenix 0]

I DO NOT' date=' however, believe that non-channelling babies will be wrought from two channelling parents, due to Mendelian genetics, and because RJ tends to follow a pretty scientific rubric for the rules of his world. Or perhaps they possibly COULD channel, but they are not born with the spark. Or who knows? Weirder things have happened in the WoT/[/quote']

 

 

In WoT it is said that it can happen. This is so. I do not remember where exactly but it was in the numerous explanations about the One Power from an Aes Sedai to Elayne/Egwene/Nyneave probably.

 

They have said that the ability has nothing to do with genes or anything like that and that it cannot be explained. I remember some of the examples given in WoT:

Channaler and Channeler - Non Channeler

Non and Non - a Channeler with the spark as well as without.

 

After all, neither of the parents from Two Rivers can channel. Even if we don't know for sure whether they can learn - they do not have the spark. And both Egwene, Nyneave and Rand had it.

 

So I don't think that you can give an example with the blue-eyed parents. Those are not genes.

[Marie 73]

In WoT it is said that it can happen. This is so. I do not remember where exactly but it was in the numerous explanations about the One Power from an Aes Sedai to Elayne/Egwene/Nyneave probably.

 

They have said that the ability has nothing to do with genes or anything like that and that it cannot be explained. I remember some of the examples given in WoT:

Channaler and Channeler - Non Channeler

Non and Non - a Channeler with the spark as well as without.

 

After all' date=' neither of the parents from Two Rivers can channel. Even if we don't know for sure whether they can learn - they do not have the spark. And both Egwene, Nyneave and Rand had it.

 

So I don't think that you can give an example with the blue-eyed parents. Those are not genes.[/quote']

 

I thought RJ stated it was genes. Two brown eyed parents can have blue eyed children if they both carry the gene. It's the same with channelers. What isn't genetic is strength. Morgase gave birth to Elayne, and the difference between them is grand. But there is a chance Elayne will have a weak daughter. The ability is genetic, but how strong you are is not.

[AshSnow 0]

Or maybe the reason it does not matter whether the parents or grandparents can or cannot channel is; that isn't it, that all people have past lives...there all threads in the pattern that eventually get woven in or out. So maybe, who that person was originally, maybe originally all those people either could, or could not channel. So, when your weaved back in, if you could channel, you can again. And if you couldn't, then you just can't.

 

That would then bypass the whole thing of parents being able to channel/not channel.

 

My evidence to back this up is: Lewis Therin was the strongest male channeler in his time (I think). And Rand is the strongest in his. Because they are the same person (thread). So maybe it carries over.

 

Unless you have a soul transplant into the body, that body physically belonging to someone else...may put limitations on the soul being implanted in it, this further giving evidence to my hypothesis. Being the reason some of the forsaken aren't as strong as they were, before they died.

 

 

Also maybe you have something akin to pre-coded pattern thread genes. My evidence for this (To further prove my point on the channeling). Is Birgitte and...her lover (I forget his name). Birgitte probably always looks as she does now, and always has, maybe with slight-to moderate moderation considering who her parents are. Also seeing that she is and always has been good or great with a bow. And how she was described (Her physical features) are as she is now. And if you want to get into the whole destiny-religious-fate of couples meeting. Birgitte and her lover as she said, always find each other, always get together in the end. (Or get "scientific" supposedly there's certain traits in each person, that attracts another person i.e "soul mate".).

 

That being to prove my point of your thread ("Previous life"/who you originally were) has some sway in who you will be again. Thus if you could always channel, you always will. Having nothing to do with parents. (Now...who gives birth to you...the pattern may not care, and just spins you out to whatever couple).

[Kaitlin 22]

It was also my understanding that RJ meant for channeling to be genetic. The channeling trait has been "culled" out of the population, according to the Aes Sedai. Moiraine, in NS, thinks about this and almost seems to come up with the answer. She was on the right track, but unfortunately there are no Mendalist scholars yet. Maybe soon in Cairhien. Gene theory is still pretty firmly rooted in livestock farming, in sort of an intuitive sense (as it was here for as long as there've been dogs! )

 

RJ's pattern also directly relates to how each person will be born, how they look, and what they will be doing. Only strong ta'varen, and to a lesser extent the Heroes of the Horn and minor ta'veren are guided as strongly by the Pattern. Other threads in the weave may, through ta'veren's influence or through their own actions, become more centralized threads, but their course is not so strongly laid out. You could argue that the minor threads are as flexible as they are so as to allow the driving forces to change the Pattern where it is necessary, or you could say that the driving forces are occasionally needed to guide the pattern of weaving itself.

 

I don't believe that Gaidal Cain and Birgitte always look exactly the same as they do in the Dreaming World, but rather they are born into bodies which fit their needs as Heroes without being exact. Cain may always be born into an ugly (short?) body but he may not always be recognizable as himself. Their souls are a unique type of soul. They are held over and wait for Rand to need them again whereas other souls are presumably born into other lives wherever the Pattern places them (or they place themselves?). The Pattern and genes work off of each other.

 

What Olivia said is really interesting. Maybe that is it, that there is a reflection between sister wives. Since Elayne seems so positive that nothing can go wrong with her until she has babies I wonder if something will go wrong, and there will be some oddness between their link that keeps the babies from dying? It's just a weird thought. I dunno.

 

Perhaps the babies are strange because they will be the last remnant of Aiel. I don't truly believe that all of the Aiel will be killed totally though. It's possible but it seems likely that they will change to be more like they were before the Breaking (though most might die anyway).

 

Or, maybe Avi's babies have something directly to do with how the Aiel were before. There could be some talent in them other than channeling.