[Split] How?

[Whitty 29]

Ok. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. So couldn't that be a way to rescue and save Moiraine?

[Marie 73]

I don't know if saving her through the World of Dreams would work, but it might be a way to "unlock" the place.

[Whitty 29]

Well, it seems like at least a place to try. I mean, it's not like they have lot of options to start at.

[Fenix 0]

Well, it seems like at least a place to try. I mean, it's not like they have lot of options to start at.

 

Yes but they all believe that she is dead. Everyone in the book thinks that she is dead, only in the glossary it was actually pointed that she is not. And even in the late books the glossary says "believed to be dead" or something like that

[Marie 73]

Not everyone does. The Aiel Wise Ones never say as much. There are theories that what Amys means when she tells Rand "you're a fool", is that he's a fool for saying Moiraine is dead. But Rand, being Rand, thinks she means something else. Half the White Tower doesn't believe her dead. Besides, Mat wants to go back to that Tower, so they can find her by accident.

[Fenix 0]

Not everyone[/i'] does. The Aiel Wise Ones never say as much. There are theories that what Amys means when she tells Rand "you're a fool", is that he's a fool for saying Moiraine is dead. But Rand, being Rand, thinks she means something else. Half the White Tower doesn't believe her dead. Besides, Mat wants to go back to that Tower, so they can find her by accident.

 

Well about the Wise Ones, this sounds to me like "conspiracy theory" or something like that And btw about the theories and stuff - it's just the way RJ writes, you never know what he really meant... I was talking about everybody that have stated an opinion. About the White Tower - they're Aes Sedai, the Game of Houses is in their veins and they think that this is a Moiraine's trick for "being dead".

I totally support Mat

 

No matter what everybody says I know that she is not in books 6-10. I dunno but the book kind of lost it's "what is going to happen next" charm after her "disappearrence".

*looking nervous*

Ok is book 11 out?

[Marie 73]

To be blunt, the people who think she's dead because a doorway burnt down are just stupid. A lot of them believe it because Rand said she was dead. Nevermind the boy was half out of his mind out the time. Lan? Well before she went through the doorway Moiraine couldn't tell if he was dying or trying to get up. Rand can tell when Alanna stubs her toe, so I find it hard to believe Moiraine can't tell the difference between dying and getting up. Which puts me in the camp of "She broke the bond". I know not everyone will like to believe that, but that's my opinion. *shrugs*

 

I don't know if Moiraine will come back in the later books. I do, however, think that if she did indeed die, it had nothing to do with that stupid doorway and everything to do with what happened on the other side.

[Sivart Reborn 7]

Well... Something killed Lanfear. I doubt (despite myself) that Moiraine could have killed one of the Forsaken on her own in that state. (She has proven she can kill Forsaken, but I think she wouldn't have won this fight) While Moiraine might have killed Lanfear and lived what would she do in the meantime? I mean... She asked questions in "The Shadow's Rising." So, what does she do then?

[Lizzy 0]

Well, if she did return, then no doubt she would continue to counsil Rand, because he so desperately needs it ......but she went through that other ter'angreal, the one in the Waste, and she had like 3 options or something and she choose the one that would save Rand because if Rand dies, blah blah blah, and she even wrote a letter to Rand (and Thom) explaining stuff...so she wasn't expecting to come back?....I can't remember

[Sivart Reborn 7]

After using the Ter'angreal in the Stone of Tear...

 

I will see you again Thom Merrilin. By the First Oath.

 

I use this as my only beacon of hope...

[jan 14]

Lan? Well before she went through the doorway Moiraine couldn't tell if he was dying or trying to get up.... I know not everyone will like to believe that, but that's my opinion. *shrugs*

 

I'm with you on that one. That struck me almost immediately as I was reading. (In fact, that was what one of my first posts in MW was about !)

 

And I also agree that if she's dead, it might be because Lanfear killed her on the other side, and not because she simply "fell" through a doorway!

[Fenix 0]

Lan? Well before she went through the doorway Moiraine couldn't tell if he was dying or trying to get up.... I know not everyone will like to believe that' date=' but that's my opinion. *shrugs*[/quote']

 

I'm with you on that one. That struck me almost immediately as I was reading. (In fact, that was what one of my first posts in MW was about !)

 

And I also agree that if she's dead, it might be because Lanfear killed her on the other side, and not because she simply "fell" through a doorway!

 

Yeah, it is possible. However I am not sure how would I react at a situation like that. I mean, how many people know when they will die? I am not sure that in a moment like this one you will know what to do...

And about Lanfaer's death... well in the end of the 9th book she speaks of 'captivity' or something like that so whatever happened she did not die while falling through. About Moiraine however no one knows 'cos she could've killed her before taken prisoner.

[Marie 73]

I'm starting to believe RJ will leave the Moiraine issue a mystery just for the hell of it.

[Eldaya 0]

What about this game...um..."Snakes and Foxes" or sth like that?I have always thought that it is connected with the way Moiraine will be saved.

[Kaitlin 22]

I think you're right about Snakes and Foxes. Playing it gives a hint as to how you can cheat the Finn, which is the only way to win.

 

It's unlikely she was killed just by hurtling through the doorway. She's a tough little person. How many times throughout the books had she been tortured by Forsaken (end of EotW, black lightning at the end of tDR), and generally thrown around? Since Lanfear and she may have been touching when they went through they could have ended up together on the other side, but otherwise everyone that has gone through doorways like that before end up separated from each other. If so, they would have been left on their own to face the Finn individually. Maybe Moiraine is facing a penalty for melting the doorway/channeling/bringing in something directly related to the Dark One. That's why she can't rescue herself?

 

I think too, at the docks, that Moiraine transferred the bond with Lan to Myrelle. It says something in there about her pushing him out of her mind. Maybe she did it then. It would have lent weight to Lan thinking she died if he was unconscious at the time. She told him frequently that no one else would have him until the time of her death. He may not have understood that she passed the bond along before her "death".